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October, 1998

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Dear Karen, Nueva Cadiz beads are on Go to E-Book 1 from the home page, then Beads Along the American Frontier, then Beads Brought by the Spanish.
I agree with Beadman that they are most likely Venetian, but the idea that they are good markers for Spanish sites is outdated. They, along with 7-layered chevrons are found at very English Jamestown in some numbers (putting their date down to 1610 or so) and the two are also found together in Egypt and Madagascar. Several Europeans used them for trade and it looks as though they were in the Arab trade as well.
Beadman is right about the larger beads being much more recent and not really Nueva Cadiz beads. There are a few dark green Nueva Cadiz beads, but the large ones come in a light green shade never seen in the smaller, older "true" NC beads.
= Peace.
- - Friday, October 30, 1998 at 21:52:14 (EST)
Geri--I think you must mean Jules and Kathe Kliot--who run a very nice store in Berkeley, called Lacis. I don't have their number at hand, but you can get it from telephone information. She was a founding member, along with me, of the Northern California Bead Society back in '77, and is very interested in beads, textiles, and needlework (and a very nice lady). Her name is pronounced "Katy."

Karen--The "true" Nueva Cadiz bead dates from the 16th century, has been found in many Spanish Colonial sites around the world (and is considered a good "time marker" for those sites), and is fairly rare (and pretty fragile, and--I beleive--a Venetian bead). There are also somewhat similar beads, made in the 19th and 20th centuries, that are often called "Nueva Cadiz" beads--particularly by bead dealers who want their inventory to have some sort of "pedigree." The late beads have no particular place in history, except for their similarity to the earlier beads (which are smaller in dimension, and are often twisted, and beveled at their four corners). The later beads are rather larger than the originals, and I've never seen a twisted one. What they have in common is a three-layered construction--typically being blue/white/blue, though the later ones also appear in green (which is rare or maybe unheard of in the early beads). These beads are discussed in several bead books. You should be able to locate a decent reference that would help you decide what you have, if my description hasn't made it clear. Good luck. Jamey
- - Friday, October 30, 1998 at 06:03:34 (EST)
Hi everyone. I don't know alot about beads, but I'm very interested in any information someone might have on a rectangular antique glass bead I was given as a gift called neuva cadiz Any info would be appreciated.
- - Friday, October 30, 1998 at 02:33:41 (EST)
Hello, I'm sorry, but I don't know anything about beads, but if anyone want's to chat, then give us a reply
- - Thursday, October 29, 1998 at 10:58:04 (EST)
- - Wednesday, October 28, 1998 at 20:03:34 (EST)
Hello all :)
- - Wednesday, October 28, 1998 at 18:57:57 (EST)
how's everyone tonite ?
- - Wednesday, October 28, 1998 at 18:57:25 (EST)
Hi Geri. Hope you can find soemone to help. For those who might be familiar with this book Geri has some specific questions about one or two of the patterns that I wasn't able to answer. Can you help?
= Peace
- - Tuesday, October 27, 1998 at 20:11:28 (EST)
am looking for anyone familiar with a book titled Bead Work by Jules and Kaeghe Kliot
- - Tuesday, October 27, 1998 at 15:02:47 (EST)
I am looking for a source (preferably online, but catalogue will be fine) for 4X4 cube beads. Please respond ASAP. Thanks.

- - Tuesday, October 27, 1998 at 10:54:01 (EST)
I am looking for a source (preferably online, but catalogue will be fine) for 4X4 cube beads. Please respond ASAP. Thanks.

- - Tuesday, October 27, 1998 at 10:19:39 (EST)
Brenda Dawkins:
I am seeking lists of colleges/universities which teach the
history of beads, which would lead me towards a faculty
position to share the knowledge I have and would learn
through research. Presently, I live in the New York City area
and I have been searching through the Bead Site for information.
I have been a bead enthusiast since a child, which lead me to
string beads for adornment. Today, I design beaded jewlery for
myself or sale. I feel at a crossroad in my career choice and
strongly believe I should pursue what I truly love.

I would greatly appreciate your assistance in this matter.


Brenda Dawkins

My email address is BMD1@NYU.EDU

Thank you.

- - Tuesday, October 27, 1998 at 08:58:24 (EST)
Amanda: I was checking through my books, and 'Creative Bead Weaving' by Carol Wilcox Wells has directions for an evening purse that is 5 x 4 1/2 x 1/2 inch. Look under the 'peyote stitch' section. The book is readily available in book stores.
- - Monday, October 26, 1998 at 21:20:15 (EST)
Any boy want to talk? beads suck hard!!!!! so does this chat line, you don't need beads to make a commmunity ethier
- - Monday, October 26, 1998 at 19:34:59 (EST)
Amanda: Which method were you looking to make the purse with? Knitted? Embroidered? Loomed? Crocheted? You might want to check the bead section of your bookstore--I know there are patterns out there for sale.
- - Monday, October 26, 1998 at 16:23:09 (EST)
I am looking for a pattern of a beaded purse, one that is not too small. Full instructions would be needed. My email is Thankyou!
- - Sunday, October 25, 1998 at 21:55:48 (EST)
Hi everyone. :)
- - Sunday, October 25, 1998 at 20:08:02 (EST)
Anybody home? :)
- - Sunday, October 25, 1998 at 19:43:17 (EST)
Hi everyone. :)
- - Sunday, October 25, 1998 at 19:40:29 (EST)
jamey:thanks for the information on silver filled i never knew they had such a thing. i hope that the business will take off but i eed to get all my supplies together first. iam looking for a sterling silver and goldfilled wholsalers that also deals with semi-presious stones.i f you or anyboby can help me out please let me know thanks a bunch kelly turner email
- - Saturday, October 24, 1998 at 14:39:21 (EDT)
guess who:
 he4llo ther
- - Friday, October 23, 1998 at 22:12:09 (EDT)
Silver fill is just like gold fill, except made with sterling silver--and probably on a base of white bronze (I would guess). Good luck with your new business. Jamey
- - Friday, October 23, 1998 at 21:02:20 (EDT)
Hi Pete (and everyone). Just checking out your chat program. :)
- - Friday, October 23, 1998 at 15:45:48 (EDT)
I am looking for a pattern of a beaded purse, one that is not too small. Full instructions would be needed. My email is Thankyou!
- - Friday, October 23, 1998 at 03:13:51 (EDT)
Dear Greta, Welcome. Can you be a little more specific? Are you looking for African-made beads or Trade Beads? What part/parts of Africa?
= Peace
- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 20:24:41 (EDT)
I'm looking for information about old African beads
- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 18:59:28 (EDT)
does any boby want a colored catalog to see what kind of stuff i make if so leave your address and ill send you one
- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 17:12:16 (EDT)
lissa thanks for the numbers and the www address ill check them out asap i hope i find something i can use thanks gain kelly

- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 17:10:04 (EDT)
Kelly: You might want to check out the wholesale catalog listings at
- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 15:03:22 (EDT)
Kelly: You can give Rings & Things a call at 1 800 366-2156. Good luck on your business!
- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 14:44:39 (EDT)
lissa how can i get a book from rings and things it sounds like its worth taken a look at i hope to find some place pretty soon times running out. well thank you for all the info and ill chat later kelly
- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 07:33:08 (EDT)
jamey; thank you for all the info on the gold filled issue.Iwas wonfering all this time what it really was. What exactly is silver filled is it like sterlling silver or no. this chat room is great iam going to start my own business in the spring and iam looking for a good place to go to buy my supplies
iam going to do wholesaling of findings. and plus make some beaded jewelry to sell. right now i do home parties. and thats where ive made the money to start my shop CANT WAIT .thanks again kelly
- - Thursday, October 22, 1998 at 07:30:56 (EDT)
All Newbies -- Welcome.
Jamey and Lissa -- Thanks. Helpfiul as always.
= Peace
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 21:44:23 (EDT)
Liz: Hi!
Kelly: Nah, no business as such. I am a housewife who dabbles in beads to keep sane. I do occasionally sell a piece, but that's not quite the same thing.
Rings & Things sells...hey! Claire! Rings & Things has antiqued pewter and bronze alphabet beads! Anyway, the catalog sells beads, findings, stringing supplies and thread, display items, tools, polymer clay, books, etc... There is a $4 service charge to orders under $50. They've got a web site at

- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 20:10:28 (EDT)
how's everyone tonite ?
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 18:59:50 (EDT)
hello all

- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 18:59:08 (EDT)
Hi all. About "Gold Fill".... It's actually different from just electro-plating gold onto an item (which is "gold plate"). Plating is done to an otherwise finished piece. Gold fill involves making a bar of metal, that is then used in jewelry manufacture. The metal is jewelers' bronze (and it's gold-colored), and a thick layer of fairly pure gold is sweated onto it. Then, this marriage of metals is rolled into thinner sheets, and often rolled into wires. When gold fill is cut, you don't see the dividing line between the two metals, because they are very close in color. The effect is similar to the effect of plating (since we have a base metal with a thin layer of gold over it), except plating is much less malleable. If you bend gold plated wire, it's likely to break the plating. Not so with goll fill, which bends easily (depending on whether the wire is "soft" or "hard"--which is a different issue entirely). Gold fill is considered "superior" to gold plate, for these reasons. By the way, there is also silver plate, and silver fill, but we don't see or hear about this often--since most costume jewelry is rhodium plated to make it look like silver. I hope this clarifies the issue. Jamey
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 17:12:19 (EDT)
lissa: ive heatrd of rio grande but never have ordered from them what kind of stuff does rings and things sell? i use sterling silver and gold filled. do you have your own business? i do i want to find a wholesaler so i can open a whole sale shop here ib nh but i need a good place to order from thanks foe the info. kelly
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 15:03:14 (EDT)
Lourdes Castro:
I'm looking for Rhinestone Chain, is sell by the yard
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 12:14:29 (EDT)
Kelly: Oops. That nameless message was me again.
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 11:15:07 (EDT)
Kelly: I have ordered from Rings & Things, and have been pleased. You might also look at Rio Grande's catalog--I haven't ordered from them, but they have a wonderful selection. One thing I don't can you not want a book anymore?! :)
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 11:14:33 (EDT)
pete: i always thought that golf filled was gold over gold, guess not. have you ever heard of jk findings? if so what do you kmnow about them? thanks for all the info on ss/gf it was well app. thanks again
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 06:28:46 (EDT)
 lissa--- thank you for the info. I also was wonderng if any one had any books about beads semi-presoius stones that they dont want any more if so could you email me at the email address below.does anyone know of any wholesale places to buy ss/gf findings and stones/ besides fire mounyain gem.
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 06:26:47 (EDT)
Kelly: Fiber optic beads are cut from man-made fiber optic quartz, and have a similar effect to tiger's eye in that there is a moving 'eye' that circles the bead. Fire Mountain sells them under 'Cat's Eye Beads', in 9 different colors.
Claire: Fire Mountain (they have a web site to order their catalog from) carries plastic alphabet beads. I haven't ordered from them, but they advertise that these have colors that intensify in direct sunlight. They also have round white plastic ones.
(Gee...guess which catalog I happened to be looking through tonight. :)
- - Wednesday, October 21, 1998 at 01:29:11 (EDT)
Welcome everybody.
Kelly -- I am not sure what a fiber optic bead is, but fiber optic cable is made of glass. Sterling is 92.5% silver. Gold filled is plated, usually with 10K gold to 5% of the weight of the piece.
= Peace
- - Tuesday, October 20, 1998 at 21:45:16 (EDT)
Nick :
has any one bougth foursided/faced ghost beads ? if so how much did you pay

- - Tuesday, October 20, 1998 at 15:18:03 (EDT)
lilbit i have lots of new designs using the fiber optic beads let me know what you are looking for
- - Tuesday, October 20, 1998 at 11:10:47 (EDT)
kelly turner:
also if any one would like to see some of the jewelry that i make out of sterling silver and gold filled e-mail me at and leave your address and ill mail you out our resent flyer.
- - Tuesday, October 20, 1998 at 08:12:31 (EDT)
kelly turner:
i was wondering if someone coould tell me what the fiber optic beads are made of and what is sterling silver and gold filled in terms for a term paper.
- - Tuesday, October 20, 1998 at 08:10:50 (EDT)
Claire -- Your question is fine. The problem is, I have been asked this question several times and don't have an answer. The glass beads the Czechs and Austrians made are now gone. There are some base metal beads out there and someone said she saw sterling silver ones, but no one knows where to get them. Sorry, but welcome anyway. Keep trying. Maybe an answer will appear.
= Pete
- - Monday, October 19, 1998 at 20:53:48 (EDT)
Am a rookie recreational bracelet maker. Love to make something pretty to give away to friends. Can't find block letter alphabet beads. If this is not an appropriate question for this forum, my apologies
- - Monday, October 19, 1998 at 19:48:44 (EDT)
Hi lilbit -- Welcome to Enjoy yourself.
= Peace
- - Friday, October 16, 1998 at 16:03:55 (EDT)
Hi Folks...Just found this place. Another crazed beader here. I am looking for patterns for bead knitted purses. I just found them recently (yeah I'm a bit slow) and think they are fabulous. Nice to meet all of you.
- - Friday, October 16, 1998 at 10:31:37 (EDT)
anyone into Jungle??

- - Wednesday, October 14, 1998 at 23:06:47 (EDT)
Hey hey everyone

- - Wednesday, October 14, 1998 at 23:06:27 (EDT)
 Lissa and Milo -- Yes, most of these terms are American, and peyote is not very appropriate.
Jamey -- I've already welcomes you back. Thanks for the tip.
- - Wednesday, October 14, 1998 at 17:18:26 (EDT)
Milo: Would you believe I got the book out of the library? It was republished '60s I believe (I don't have it in front of me) when a bead craze swept the U.S. I ask this one periodically in case anyone knows the answer, for a couple of reasons. One, I'm interested in historical beadwork. Two, there is a debate here about whether to call the stitch 'gourd' or 'peyote' because of some Native American ritual connections with the 'peyote' term, and I thought it would be a good solution to go back to an earlier term. Besides, living in the South Western U.S. as I do, everyone seems to assume that the natives invented the stitch first, which just isn't the case.
- - Monday, October 12, 1998 at 11:42:41 (EDT)
Hi everyone! I have just returned from a month in West Africa. I traveled with two friends, and we had a lot of interesting bead experiences. Here's some food for thought. On three occassions, we were offered long necklaces of green seven-layer chevron beads. These were beautiful beads, and priced at around the equal of $1400. (U.S., but in local currency, of course). The beads were said to be "old." I recognized them as being new beads made in the last two years at Venice/Murano by a glassmaker named Luigi (one of the few glassmaker/beadmakers making chevron beads these days). These are very nice beads!! However, they are not old, valuable beads--and certainly not worth $1400. I expect that in almost no time (to speak of) we will be seeing these beads coming out of Africa, and offered to collectors here in the States and elsewhere as "old green chevron beads." Don't be fooled!!! One of the three strands I saw had been dirtied-up to make it look less than new--but the Luigi-like appearance was obvious to me. (I met him at Murano in 1996, and viewed the work he was doing then.) Has anyone been offered these beads yet? I suspect that at least one person I know (in Germany) was offered a few about a month ago, just before I left for Africa myself. More stories later. Jamey
- - Monday, October 12, 1998 at 04:42:29 (EDT)
Hi Folks, Just read through and a thought came re Lissa's query re Peyote stitch. Lissa there is virtually no info on beading anywhere else other than the US so I guess that the names for the stitchessound like they have come from your indiginous people the Indians who have used beads extensively. Maybe you need to go back further - where on earth did you get Mary White's book. I have found a weekend workshop to do torchwork and would you believe it only 15 miles from home. Anyone else in Melbourne Australia who needs to know more?????
- - Monday, October 12, 1998 at 00:49:10 (EDT)
hello this is blondy
- - Saturday, October 10, 1998 at 22:03:34 (EDT)
beaby -- It must be really bad to be so ignorant. Leave us alone or I'll contact your ISP.
- - Friday, October 09, 1998 at 21:13:12 (EDT)
it suck pretty bad to be talking about beads

- - Friday, October 09, 1998 at 17:01:49 (EDT)
pete are you gay
- - Friday, October 09, 1998 at 17:00:59 (EDT)
 Well hi everybody.
Mary T.: Yes, clear was one of the SPQ pendant colors. The loop sounds like it.
Darlene -- Welcome
Monnique --There's an answer for you from Lissa below.
Lissa -- The names of beadwork stiches are a minefield. Can anyone answer her question?
- - Thursday, October 08, 1998 at 20:05:38 (EDT)
Mary T:
Pete -- sorry, I haven't checked the board for awhile!
Thanks for the info on the San Pedro Quiatoni bead.
I'll pass the info on to my friend. If she has more questions,
I'll e-mail ya. btw, it is clear glass, and, as I recall,
it looks like the glass was drawn around in a loop on one end.
But I'm *not* a glassworker, so I don't know the terms. :-)

To Monique: I have a links to a few pony bead crosses on
my beadwork for kids links page, at
There are two crosses from Hobby Lobby and one from Michaels,
last time I checked. Good luck!
- - Thursday, October 08, 1998 at 12:08:40 (EDT)
- - Thursday, October 08, 1998 at 03:10:57 (EDT)
Here's an idle question for you: I am reading 'How to do Bead Work' by Mary White, which was originally published in 1904. She calls 'peyote' or 'gourd' stitch 'diagonal weave' (which makes more sense to me :). Do you know of any other older terms for that stitch? I know it goes back to ancient Egyptian times, and was used in the mid 1600's in Europe...what was it called?
- - Wednesday, October 07, 1998 at 17:52:04 (EDT)
Monique: Check
- - Wednesday, October 07, 1998 at 17:48:49 (EDT)
 Monique -- Not me, but keep checking back. Someone will. Welcome.
Jürgen - Thanks
Anybody -- know of a good book on Nepalese/Tibetan jewelry?
Milo - I checked with the ISP and we can't find anything wrong or an explanation why that is happening to you. Could you try again? If there is a further problem email me through the home page link.
- - Wednesday, October 07, 1998 at 17:02:51 (EDT)
Does anyone know how to make a cross in a necklace using pony and tri-beads?
- - Wednesday, October 07, 1998 at 16:56:30 (EDT)
Juergen Busch:
Nancy - "Schmuck aus dem Himalaya", Hans Weihreter, Akademische Druck- und Verlagsanstalt, Graz/Austria, 1988, ISBN 3-201-01388-9. German text, but lots of good photos and pieces. If you can´t get it, but want it, let me know. I might be able to find a copy. Wishes from Germany, juergen (
- - Tuesday, October 06, 1998 at 18:37:51 (EDT)
Can anyone recommend a good reference on Tibetan beads and jewelry. I already have the "Gold Jewelry from Tibet and Nepal book by Jane Casey Singer. Everything else seems very limited.
- - Monday, October 05, 1998 at 20:00:22 (EDT)
Milo -- I have not noticed that, but I'll check.
= Peace
- - Monday, October 05, 1998 at 16:53:06 (EDT)
- - Monday, October 05, 1998 at 16:43:41 (EDT)
You may have a problem with the site as I have sent messages that have appeared on my screen but today they are gone.
I have been back to the gas people and rechecked the price of the cylinder they sold me for $27 - wow computer error, Oh Boy I won for a change. Have a reduction of around $10 so got myself two for the price of one old one. My torch work is slow going, it seems the more I read the less I accomplish, guess I will just do my own thing and store up the beads then see what I have accomplished at the end of the month. Stringers are a worry, I end up with all these very, very thin slivers of glass with knobs where the plyers were. Guess it is a manner of making sure I have the gas turned up enough and practice, practice practice.
- - Sunday, October 04, 1998 at 20:26:34 (EDT)
I am trying to find the sterling silver alphabet bead in the very small size. If you know anyone who makes them, please let me know at Thanks.
- - Sunday, October 04, 1998 at 12:57:00 (EDT)
 Alex -- I'm not sure why you're asking here, but do you mean the tree or the lizard?
Everybody else -- Why so silent?
- - Saturday, October 03, 1998 at 20:09:21 (EDT)
Alex Canter:
How many kind of Geko are thear in the world.

- - Friday, October 02, 1998 at 19:37:42 (EDT)
- - Thursday, October 01, 1998 at 17:47:22 (EDT)
Ms. Rachel:
Ruby--If the Picard books you're refering to are the one's I'm thinking of--saw a series of something more along the lines of a pamphlet when visiting the Picard Museum--it doesn't sound like what you are looking for. Maybe not exactly what you want for information on specific beads, but the photos were good and as I recall included in the text was a fair amount of historical information. If you ever have a chance, check the museum out. It is layed out very well and has a stunning collection--the folks there were a treat, too!
- - Thursday, October 01, 1998 at 11:58:32 (EDT)

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