The Bead Site Chat Archives
December, 1998

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Pete: - - Tuesday, December 29, 1998 at 21:40:10 (EST)
Lissa: It is a tenuous one, but Valerie Hector describes a 16th century piece that she thinks was loomed. ("Ancient Loom Beading in Europe?" in notes from a Beadworker's Journal 4(1) 1993, p. I-16. Maybe she has found something more definite since.
~ Peace

Lissa: - - Monday, December 28, 1998 at 23:22:14 (EST)
Pete: Can you give a reference for placing loomwork in 16th Cen Europe? I would be verrrrrrry interested and grateful!! (Crossing my fingers and hoping wildly)

Pete: - - Monday, December 28, 1998 at 16:55:37 (EST)
Victoria - I think I answered you by email today. In brief, 16th century beadwork in Europe is the earliest known loom work. Since looms and beading have beeing going on a long time, loom beading is probably quite old, but we won't know because 1.) It was not considered important, and thus not documented historically and 2.) The strings have disappeared and the work is gone archaeologically. Is this a sufficient answer?
~ Peace

: - - Monday, December 28, 1998 at 10:56:16 (EST)
To Michael @
Do you have a dirty mind??????????????????????

Victoria: - - Sunday, December 27, 1998 at 16:13:43 (EST)
Opps, forgot to put my E-Mail It's thanks again.

Victoria: - - Sunday, December 27, 1998 at 16:12:30 (EST)
Hello everyone - I'm a new beader with a question (or two or three million). Anyway, does anybody know when and where bead looms got started? I would like to place woven beads in Europe about 1200 AD but have no proof. Got any ideas or a reference to check? Thanks and happy beading.

Michael: - - Sunday, December 27, 1998 at 07:39:11 (EST)
Hi I am looking for suppliers of high quality beads, glass, bone, cystal, etc. Could somebody email me info at: Thankyou

Lisa: - - Thursday, December 24, 1998 at 17:49:56 (EST)
I am looking for the cheapes place to buy sterling silver & 14 k gold filled beads. I am also looking for sterling silver alphabet blocks. e-mail me at

Lisa: - - Thursday, December 24, 1998 at 17:48:21 (EST)
I am looking for the cheapest place to buy 14 k gold filled and serling silver beads and sterling silver alphabe blocks.

lisa burghart: - - Thursday, December 24, 1998 at 14:40:32 (EST)
i am looking for 14kt gold and sterling silver beads to make moher bracilet can you help me

lisa : - - Wednesday, December 23, 1998 at 14:15:13 (EST)
Hi is there any one out there that is looking for a chat? catch me at

Milo: - - Wednesday, December 23, 1998 at 07:42:36 (EST)
I stand corrected Pete, it was my last day at work for ten days so had a lot to do before I left today. Am using home computer now but intend to do some lampwork over the break - Merry Christmas to all. Will keep you posted re results.

Pete: - - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 21:04:46 (EST)
Dear Milo, Yes, of course, hydrofluoric acid. You do have to be careful while working with it, of course, just as with any strong chemical. I am glad you have found some suppliers and are having a (frustratingly) good time. $500 Australian is only $300 US.
~ Peace

Milo: - - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 17:07:43 (EST)
Thanks Pete I think you may be referring to Hydrofluoric acid which I believe is very dangerous to use. As to where I got glass and tools - I have a shipment coming from Franz Beads who have been most helpful. I also found two places in Australia - one in Brisbane and one in Melbourne (3,000 miles apart but have visited both) who could supply the glass and the hot heads, those together with Cindy Jenkins Book have led me to experiment and yesterday I even got some gold foil - I am learning the properties of the glass still but can see an improvement in my work, one of my problems is gas supply, I am not at this stage ready to fork out $500 or so Aust (aprox $800US) to get the setup for oxy/propane, so am using imported 1litre bottles of poly propolene which freeze up after about 1hours working and the rate I work I am only getting about twelve beads to the bottle.

sinead: - - Tuesday, December 22, 1998 at 04:25:25 (EST)
hi sexy!!

Pete: - - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 21:09:13 (EST)
Milo - This is not really a recipe, but basically you use fluoric acid. If you are goping to etch a design you need a resist where you don't want etching. I think wax will work. Who can be more specific?
Where did you get your tools and glass?
~ Peace

Milo: - - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 21:08:07 (EST)
I think perhaps I may be misleading with my request for etching - what I need is something to take the shine off the bead.

Milo: - - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 20:20:36 (EST)
Since I last dropped in I have found out how to make glass beads and have a shipment of tools and glass stuff on its way out to Australia but cannot find anywhere a recipe for etching glass beads.
If someone is feeling like discovering the joy of giving at this time of the year let me know just where I can locate the recipe..

Hannah : - - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 11:05:45 (EST)
Is anyone out there who is willing to talk

Hannah : - - Monday, December 21, 1998 at 11:03:19 (EST)
Hello everyone!!

Pete: - - Saturday, December 19, 1998 at 22:05:26 (EST)
 Steve and Sexy - We chat only about beads here. If you are looking for something else go elsewhere.
~ Peace

steve: - - Saturday, December 19, 1998 at 17:12:05 (EST)
hi everyone

sexy: - - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 23:18:44 (EST)
does anyone care to chat

sexy: - - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 23:17:04 (EST)
is someone going to talk or what

sexy: - - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 23:16:11 (EST)
I want to talk to a girl

sexy: - - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 23:15:30 (EST)
what does that mean

sexy: - - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 23:14:48 (EST)
someone talk to me

Pete: - - Friday, December 18, 1998 at 13:17:18 (EST)
 Eric -- Conus are marine shells with a world-wide distribution, including the Atlantic.
Everyone -- Greetings from New York. I'll be back tomorrow.
~ Peace

Eric: - - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 18:34:26 (EST)
Oops ! Just found the arca and conus doc in the gallery. This identifies the thing. Any more info, where do they come from ?

Eric: - - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 17:47:45 (EST)
Hello, greetings from Bamako. We tried the amber identification trick with salt water. It worked fine. Almost all the beads are plastic, as expected although a number of them must be quite old considering their general condition. Surprise, surprise, there were also a few real amber beads . A few of them had been sold to us as false amber and turned out to be real. This was especailly nice for a fat 4-5 cm diameter bead.
Today we bought a beatifull shell necklace on the market. The individual beads are white and from 1 to 4 cm across and usually conical. They are made out of 5 to 10 cm high conical shells with a flat bottom. The beads usually consist of the upper, conical part of the shell or the basal part which has a flat bottom. The are 84 beads on the string and they are strung two by two with their wide basal parts in contact with each other. This results in 42 biconical shapes made up of two beads each. The smallest are at the extremities and the biggest ones in the middle. All in all a very pleasing effect. The shells would provide from the north of Mali or the south of Mauritania. I suppose they must be ancient freshwater shells dating back to a more humid Sahara with big lakes (sorry, I am a geologist). Does anybody know something about these very characteristic beads. We also bought a smaller string of flat beads made out of a large shell. Individual beads are up to 2-3 cm wide and 4-5 cm long, less than 0.5 cm thick, have rounded corners and consist out of a polished shell fragment (I tested with a bit of acid). Interestingly the holes penetratye lenghtwise through the bead. Again any info ?

lori: - - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 22:19:05 (EST)
anyone want to chat?

Pete: - - Monday, December 14, 1998 at 08:58:21 (EST)
David -- Try Twin Crystal Rock Shop. Go to the Home Page of Click on Beads or Go Shopping. They have both.
Mandeinc -- Plastic beads in the US are made mostly in Rhode Island. Try seeing if the Beadery has a web site.
Lissa -- Great answer.

David: - - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 16:27:27 (EST)
Pete----I am looking for information or sources where I can purchase raw crystal, bone and stone material for beading. Especailly interested in tribal art types.

mandeinc: - - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 16:17:01 (EST)
Can anyone help me find individual plastic beads (all sizes), I want to make Mardi Gras necklaces,earings...If anyone knows a good sorce to purchase such beads please respond.Thanks

Lissa: - - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 14:16:15 (EST)
Grunger: I usually prefer working with glass or stone, and am playing with stringing pearls right now. But if you have any tips on working horn--or bone for that matter, by all means share them.

Grunger male 19: - - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 13:37:39 (EST)
Aby females horny?

jc77: - - Sunday, December 13, 1998 at 00:49:36 (EST)

Pete: - - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 21:20:48 (EST)
David, What sort of help are you looking for?
~ Peace

Radman: - - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 15:08:43 (EST)
Anybody home?

Radman: - - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 15:07:57 (EST)

NIKKI: - - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 13:48:10 (EST)
Anyone care to chat?

DAVID: - - Saturday, December 12, 1998 at 00:21:59 (EST)
I am really interested in raw crystal stones and wooden, stone & wooven type necklaces. I create my own and am interested gathering more info. on these style/type of art. Please help.

Pete: - - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 21:33:19 (EST)
Harry - Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. several school classes around the country use it for projects.

harry: - - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 19:18:17 (EST)
thanks Pete! I was delighted to get your message and found the paper bead gallery helpfull to my hunt for the history. Thanks again for the information.

Pete: - - Thursday, December 10, 1998 at 21:56:21 (EST)
 Harry -- Have you visited the paper bead gallery? Click on Galleries from the Home Page. I think I say in there that no one has come up with a reasonable history of the craft. It was being used by the beginning of the century, but might be much older.
Ali - Which books were they? Your question got archived. I'll look it up in the archive, but maybe it would be faster to post it again here.
~ Peace

ali: - - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 22:52:31 (EST)
hi pete thanks for answering my question. My e-mail is not working right now. could you give me the names of the books on line?

harry: - - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 22:10:05 (EST)
I am an educator who happens to make fantastic paper beads from recycled paper. I teach teachers and students how to make paper beads. I am looking for the cultural history piece about where the craft has it's origins. The best I have been able to find is a very old connection to "quilling". I also know that the craft of making beads out of newspaper comics has some origins in Appalacia. This is all I have. Is there anyone out there that can fill in the blanks or know where to look? Thanks!

Pete: - - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 21:00:25 (EST)
Angie -- The prioblem with cleaning with anything like that is that you might abrade the bead. Even elements on a glass bead could fall off. Plain old soap and water work well, too, but have have to be more careful than when using water softener.
I has several site maps up when I opened the site, but it got laborious trying to keep up with them. Follow links or use the Site Search Engine to find things you are interested in. The links on the Home Page will take you to all pages through various index pages (some have two levels of index pages). Also keep up with new things by checking on What's New as you visit. By following the past new items you will find everything, too, except what was up at the beginning. Have fun.

Angie again: - - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 07:23:39 (EST)
This site huge and I don't want to miss there a site map or similar so I can spot everything easily? I think I used a site map here earlier in the year, but I can't find it now....ta.

Angie : - - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 07:13:28 (EST)
Hi bead buddies- just discovered this message area, and will keep visiting. Noticed some chat about cleaning beads. I once had a lucky find of lots of old, dirty glass beads and they cleaned up easily with steradent- a denture cleaning powder which foams up and takes the dirt with it. Just rinse in clear water and spread out to dry.
Thanks for all the great bead info on the site, amazing how many people are fascinated by beads...regards from Australia - - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 05:22:23 (EST)
Howard——contact me, and I will give you the name of a dealer who specializes in beads from Ghana. Jamey D. Allen

dust bunny: - - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 03:45:42 (EST)

Pete: - - Tuesday, December 08, 1998 at 22:29:37 (EST)
That's *Keep Checking Back.*
~ Peace

Pete: - - Tuesday, December 08, 1998 at 22:27:53 (EST)
howard. Welcome. Keep checkinh back. There are such people. Also try*Ghana* in the Site Search Engine.
~ Peace

howard: - - Tuesday, December 08, 1998 at 13:58:52 (EST)
I am looking for dealers-wholesale trade beads from

Pete: - - Monday, December 07, 1998 at 20:03:35 (EST)
Greta -- Tomorrow and Yesterday are the same in several languages.
= Peace

Greta: - - Monday, December 07, 1998 at 19:40:10 (EST)
Hi Pete, I didn't have time today to answer your Email, I have been eating whole day.
Restaurant at noon, and evening, impossible!!!!!!
Perhaps I find a moment tomorrow, you see living in Africa is verry hard. But you know in Africa, tomorrow is verry long.
Even in Zaïre, where lived 26 years, in the Lingala linguage, yesterday and tomorrow was the same word : LOBI

marcia: - - Sunday, December 06, 1998 at 20:38:21 (EST)
anyone here?

lisa : - - Sunday, December 06, 1998 at 11:32:21 (EST)
Anyone around?

h20: - - Saturday, December 05, 1998 at 21:50:28 (EST)
what are you talking about

h20: - - Saturday, December 05, 1998 at 21:49:57 (EST)

Pete: - - Friday, December 04, 1998 at 21:09:47 (EST)
 Greta -- I suppose it is impossible. I suggested Calgon before I knew where you lived. Soap and water are OK. Toothbrush is fine for most surfaces.
Erica -- The Chinese make "cinnabar" beads, actually carved lacquer, colored with cinnabar (real cinnabar beads do exist, but they are rare). The knot between the beads also points to China rather than India. Lacquer can be scratched, but not chipped with a pin. It has no reaction to a hot point test, unlike most (but not all) plastics. I would guess that's what they are.
= Peace

Erica: - - Friday, December 04, 1998 at 16:19:56 (EST)
Hi all, I have some beads that look like carved cinnabar, and I would like to know if there's a test I can do to rule out them being plastic. They came on red, knotted string with an Indian-looking brass clasp.
Thanking in advance...Erica

Greta: - - Friday, December 04, 1998 at 14:16:34 (EST)
Hi Pete, impossible to find here : Calgon, the water softener. So I'll continue with my tooth-brush and a washing-up liquid.
I hope there is no problem for the beads ?????

Pete: - - Thursday, December 03, 1998 at 20:59:59 (EST)
Good for you, Lissa. thanks for sharing it with us.
= Peace

Lissa: - - Thursday, December 03, 1998 at 00:13:23 (EST)
Remember awhile ago I was asking about how to string beads onto wire quickly? Well, I figured it out, figured out how to make baskets made of the resulting beads on wire, and just got my first check for teaching the basket technique at my local bead store. Wheeee!!! (I had to share with *someone* :)

Pete: - - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 20:32:57 (EST)
 Mary and Lissa -- Thanks
Greta -- Will be looking forward to more questions. Don't feel shy about your English. You are no doubt better with it than I am with your language. Here at we know the whole world doesn't have English as their first language.
= Peace

: - - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 19:14:43 (EST)
oh yeah, i forgot to include my name. that was trilana117

: - - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 19:14:11 (EST)
thank so much to everyone who responded to my graph paper question. NOw i can make my sisters b-day present. i am gonna make a bead tapestry of the little prince for her.

Lissa: - - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 11:53:37 (EST)
Trilana: There is also graph paper at under 'more from your guide' . If you want to go that far, there are also a couple of software programs available for graphing beadwork that are pretty good.

Greta: - - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 04:24:24 (EST)
Good morning, evening ? I still have a lot of questions for you but I'm not so good in English and not very experimented with the
chat line and web. But my letter is on the way.
Regards Pete

michelle : - - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 02:05:17 (EST)
Hi everyone any body want to chat

Mary T.: - - Tuesday, December 01, 1998 at 00:22:26 (EST)
Hi, how's everybody? TRILANA -- try this page: and scroll down to the graph paper section.

LUNULA -- this page has lots of simple patterns for beginners:, and elsewhere on my site you'll find tons of links to patterns:

Good luck, AUNTILA MOLLILA ;-)

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